Fair Abortion Discussions

2006-08-03 [M_Sinner]: Nor are termite mounds, nor are beaver dams, nor are even the sticks that apes use to get the termites OUT of their mounds. The only difference I see is that we've got a larger brain capacity, and have taken the idea of tools to a much further level. If you're going to argue that human tools are unnatural, then please concede that most of nature is unnatural.

2006-08-03 [Fizban]: LOL!! those are all so unrelated...its funny to see ashamed of our natural bodies, and microwave popcorn in the same sentence. So does that mean that pre-processed but non microwaved popcorn is fine? XD...

2006-08-03 [tuff ghost]: Oh, yes, of course. Especially the kind from target. But I do think that the natural arguement has nothing to do with anything. I don't even know why I started to argue that one. Apologies.

2006-08-03 [Dil*]: Define 'natural'.

2006-08-03 [M_Sinner]: Lol. No problem. I guess that the connection that it has is the idea of abortion being "unnatural." Now, looking back, I realize that I defeat my own argument in this respect (I.E. if human tools are natural, which is what I'm arguing for, then so are wars and abortion). So it's kind of a moot point. Slap on the wrist for Sine for having a broken brain. ^_^

2006-08-03 [Cliché]: My main reason for saying unnatural is this. We do not live in harmony with the earth. We are seperate, and we fight natural things. Like death.

2006-08-03 [tuff ghost]: ... -smiles smugly- Point well made, my friend. 

2006-08-03 [Dil*]: I'm just glad people are showing, the other page has been going for years, it's quite firmly established..but I've been really dissapointed with it because it started becoming more and more biased.

2006-08-03 [Fizban]: well...the way you say it [Cliché] makes me think that animals dont fight death,....to the death as well. Animals never give up and instinctually do everything they can to survive. How is is that humans do the same, any different or unnatural to you? The unnatural thing is suicide as far as animal and human nature is concerned.

2006-08-03 [Dil*]: animals don't have contact lenses or computers, things are not sinful because they are 'unnatural'.

2006-08-03 [M_Sinner]: I still argue that contact lenses and computers are as natural as a beaver dam or termite mount of bee's nest. We just took the idea of suiting our environment to our needs further. But it's kind of a moot point to the discussion of abortion now. And the idea of humans killing each other being unnatural was quite well handled by [Fizban].

2006-08-03 [tuff ghost]: Animals kill each other....

2006-08-03 [Fizban]: yeah, I was refuting that...or really, that and the humans dieing in general.

2006-08-03 [Dil*]: "Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl" In what way are contact lenses natural? Do they grow on trees or something? If you're argueing that contact lenses are natural, because they come from man, and man came from nature, then you could apply that same arguement to abortion, people have abortion, humans are people, humans come from nature.

2006-08-03 [M_Sinner]: Dil, Annakin-- Look at my comments. I've been conceding that for a while now. I'm not saying that abortions aren't natural. I said explicitly that I realized I had defeated my own argument.

2006-08-03 [Fizban]: Overkill !!! lol.

2006-08-03 [Dil*]: Sorry.

2006-08-03 [ceridwen]: ... I don't know where I'd put my name under. I'm both... I'm pro choice in the sense that it shoudl be legal, and it's ultimately the woman's choice. But... I'm pro life in the sense that I think the unborn should have a chance at life and what not. So... I'm both. O.o

2006-08-03 [ceridwen]: ... Meh... It's not that I'm undecided... I just hope thta women choose life. But they should still have a choice. Does that make me pro-choice then?

2006-08-03 [Dil*]: yeah.

2006-08-03 [M_Sinner]: Well, by that logic, I'm Pro-choice. Lol. Don't move me, though. I like my spot by the illustrious Fizban.